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They can eliminate precious kinfolk, have a cairn which isn't constantly under guard destroyed, strike at the werewolves' mortal connections, etc. If the werewolves do something which will get the vampires to respond, such as randomly killing one of the Prince's favorites, the vampires can strike back in many indirect ways. But on average, the vampires are better at it and again have the advantage of numbers.

With the right build, especially with some of the gifts available, a werewolf can have significant control over mortal society. Vampires have indirect ways of striking back. Notably, even one-on-one, ancient vampires can be very powerful indeed compared to an average wolf. But a group of vampires with support from a few ghouls is a very different fight for a lone werewolf. On average, a werewolf is far more powerful in combat than a vampire. That is to say nothing of the ghouls they can create. The vampires start with a huge numerical advantage and can mass produce more vampires for purposes of war in ways the wolves can't.

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As discussed more below, while the werewolves are likely to win every battle, they are almost certain to lose any full scale war with the vampires even on a city level. The werewolves also have good reason to keep them low down on the list. Vampires make the list, but they are low down on it. (A specific vampire causing problems for the werewolves is a different story.) The werewolves are likely to be far more worried about the harm to the environment, especially supernatural harm from Pentex, from the Black Spiral Dancers, from malevolent spirits from the umbra, etc. The werewolves on the other hand do have some reason to want to eliminate the vampires because they are wyrm-tainted, but vampires are very low on the werewolves list of priorities. The vampires have every incentive to ignore the werewolves as long as the werewolves don't directly cause them major problems. Overall they aren't likely to care too much about each other. The werewolves are likely to win almost every battle, but the vampires would likely win any full scale war.

Is there any sourcebook for either V:TM or WW:TA which explains why vampires and urban werewolf tribes haven't annihilated each other? Or why one side hasn't eliminated the other? But that doesn't explain what is going on with the Camarilla, the Glass Walkers and the Bone Gnawers. I recall the Black Spiral Dancers had a temporary alliance with the Sabbat vampires in The Book of the Wyrm. Spot a vampire using your Sense Wyrm gift, go into kill, kill, kill mode.

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Meanwhile, Werewolf: The Apocalypse tells PC werewolves that all vampires are 'of the wyrm'.

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The stats for a werewolf in Vampire: The Masquerade 5e continues this tradition of hyping them up to be combat monsters by making them Potence 5, Fortitude 5, Celerity 4, plus a Strength 6 and Dex 6 when in crinos form. The GMs' campaign canon is that the werewolves are all out in the countryside, and all the vampires are in the city (apart from the occasional Gangrel).

However, in the games of Vampire I've been in, the GMs stress that werewolves are unstoppable killing machines and to avoid them at all costs. Plus those members of the Black Spiral Dancers who hang about in Pentex boardrooms or areas of urban blight.

CofD: Chronicles of Darkness: Dark Eras 2, p.Werewolf: The Apocalypse has a couple of tribes of urban werewolves: the Glass Walkers and the Bone Gnawers.

Transmissible: Deviants whose condition is contagious and can spread to others.

Symbiote: Deviants who share a body with another consciousness with its own motives.

Supersoldier: Deviants created to be perfect soldiers.

Self-Made: Deviants who are their own Progenitors.

Devoted: Deviants who remain loyal to a conspiracy.

Amalgam: Deviants created from a seamless combination of multiple sapient beings.

Forms represent cases where some or all of these are not true.įorms are not mutually exclusive, and they are applied when a Deviant is Remade. By default, a Deviant has a single, nearly human mind, his Variations do not possess a will of their own, his condition is not contagious, and he is a Renegade who is not directly responsible for his Divergence. No two Broken are exactly alike, but some Remade are more unlike their kind than others. Forms augment the nature of a Deviant's Variations and Scars. A Form is a specific categorization of Deviant beyond Origin and Clade.